Too little product and you just need to catch up with the next conditioning session. Hard to tell from the image, but yes I would have thought there would be more black/purple in there. You may be the only person on the net with good information on Cordovan! Follow me on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theelegantoxford/?hl=enFollow me on Facebook: https://m.facebook.com/theelegantoxford/ Yes, I know what you mean. Very limited grounds for complaint generally, and even then its better to focus on all of the options that are readily available vs. whats not. But they were looking much lighter! Other leather shoes Ive owned have stretched enough to require an insert or thicker socks to keep from sliding. I will confess (and so would my father) that we have many more fine pairs of shoes than one deserves. Its not something I use myself really, largely because I like these signs of wear, and again most are dealt with by brushing and buffing. Works like a charm and that is all they need as regards shoe care products. i think all i need is another 3-4mm wider. They remain perfect. If it were you, what do you think you would have done? Cordovan will not really stretch on its own. I find it difficult to decide between going a full size of half from the regular UK size. Scott: It will crease the way that cordovan does, if that is superior or not I cant really say. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Your email address will not be published. I see youve mentioned they werent perfectly comfortable from the beginning. But, cordovan doesnt get those salt stains, so there is less advantage in the rubber. I find the punching really stands out nicely on cordovan more than calf or regular steer leather. There was nothing wrong with them (although they were a bit stiffer than calf) but, for the price, they were just a bit underwhelming and I occasionally felt the need to tell people they were Cordovan. BTW: I totally get your preference of color 8 over black. Interesting albeit a little farfetched that you need deer bone for this because it is oily thank you for pointing me towards this article I will give it a try! Through normal use scratches and scuffs will lighten and diminish without any manual intervention. How would you compare those two brands in regards to quality, and value ? Hey, They were never even close to being as dark as yours, rather a true burgundy. Just checking you dont think I am here? Of course, there is also the much broader point that killing animals to use their meat or skin doesnt mean you dont respect them. The leather (shell cordovan) was immediately prized for its . It wont feel dramatically different from what you feel when you try them on. If you want a low-vamp tassel, Id look to the Alden one first. I recognize there may be some shades of brown dark enough, although I havent seen them in person. Can a cordovan upper really add 500 to a boot and be worth it? Your BB were by Alden and pretty sure all Alden Shell Cordovan has this acrylic finish, most others dont add that to their shell. Why didnt you like your own cordovan shoes? Their lasts are generally pretty wide and accommodating. Thanks. Shell cordovan comes from horses and is named after the Spanish region of Cordoba from which the specific leather tradition originates and is derived from the hindquarter of a horse, referred to as the shell. Hi Jesper. I guess it might be your feet, but then again I havent worn mine for 12 years either. A fast brush will not only remove dirt, but the friction will build up heat that brings back oils and shine to the leather. Allow to dry using the method above . My father and grandfather owned many pairs and Aldens wingtips and tassel loafers are a tradition amongst us here in New England. Also coating treated cordovan quite easily gets water stains and that type of thing, though not to the same extent as natural shell, and usually a bit easier to get back to a good looking state. As you say, a very subtle charm. Welcome to Worth the Price, a recurring series exploring some of menswears most covetable and expensive products. Would you wear these with a black belt (or just stick to going beltless)? Yes, Ive seen that and it is a nice design. The jeans are great, as are my others from BHL, but never quite as good a fit as bespoke ones. And perhaps somewhere that wasnt used to that colour. I have been thinking of getting a pair of cordovan shoes to wear with semi-formal attire. Picture: PatrickBOOTH / StyleForum. Is this your recommended maintenance for all shoes, or should calf leather sit in trees overnight before shining? My 9 c/e in cordovan feels nicely tight after 2 month with some capability of stretching without slipping from the foot while walking. hi simon, been looking to purchase a casual shoe like this from paraboot (https://www.paraboot.com/en/men/boat-shoes/barthmarine-marron-america) and will be my first foray into this colour. Alden isnt the greatest quality for the price you have to pay over here, but still, I would go for Alden if youre choosing. I had these loafers for years but eventually the cordovan gave out at one of the ripples. Interested in how you wear the black cordovan tassel loafers. I do like the fact that its all eyelets and I like that in my boots. Could you be more specific Kyle? 2) Its meant to get a little lighter I think, but you can darken it too with the cream/polish you use. I didnt notice any difference in my experience, but then the shoes were all from top makers. Many thanks in advance! Would love to see an article on types of shoe leathers (wallets, belts, etc.). Many thanks, For someone with an extensive shoe wardrobe (around 40 pairs of EGs and GGs, all bases covered but nothing on cordovan), what would you recommend: a black suede Belgravia or a color 8 cordovan tassel loafer (say, an Alden on Aberdeen last). This week: shell cordovan shoes. Gabucci in Sweden has the tassel loafer, which is my second-favourite Alden loafer. Another model you might want to try is the monk strap. They were nice and Id always wanted a pair but like most things, the wanting was better than the having. In general have a read of the review of their boots here. Feel free to send me a DM if none of your local retailers will. There is no black/purple look that I see from your pair. My alden loafers have a slightly lesser version of that in the roll. The stacks on the heels Alden uses are of bonded leather which loses form when it gets wet. Usage frequency: As a retiree; I dont really get out too often. Kind of like the abrasions you can get on suede where you get light streaks in the nap. Thanks! Very nice people though ! Sure, though to be honest I dont think theres anything to how to wear them. For example, my Edward Green boots here could look good with both but theyd be a fairly smart, sleek look with denim. Shell Cordovan is really quite a stellar leather to wear. Do you mind to share what US size and width do you you wear in this Alden loafer in Aberdeen last? Do you have any recommendations for successfully pairing brown pants with black shoes? Recently Ive been struggling to figure out how to buy a perfect denim shirt. I am glad you have become a convert to shell cordovan, Simon. But if you find you have some scratches that you want to remove immediately, and if the. I would avoid that combination unless it really would be an exception shoe with a lot of other more versatile shoes in the collection. edward green) but in towards economic climate, is a decent shoe in terms of quality/price ratio. My experience is different. Hi Simon, Im not sure how it works out with cordovan, but its rare that leather like this can sustain farming of animals on its own. Lots of details above in the comments sorry, too much to repeat here! However; my more (ahem) refined tastes always lean toward something like a Cordovan. Nick Horween has said that most horse hides he gets are from Canada where horses are eaten, so the skins are by products. Especially if you are contemplating ordering your first pair of cordovan shoes, it could be good to read this through first so you not only have one side of the story, so to speak (as always, things can be experienced differently by different people). Personally Id go for the cordovan, but both would be great. 1. (I do brush them from time to time.). Some water spots become more difficult to remove if you dont address them quickly. What is the right fit for it? Can it be fixed? Especially if unlined, this can be noticeable. I know a lot of people size down half but 99% of the time, sizing down causes a length issue for my toes. Shell cordovan has a number of advantages over traditional cowhide. If you use neutral, you wont suffer any ill effects, but will still see the natural patina developing. Ive used Alden, but Id also recommend Yorkshire Sole I saw a friends repair their on Aldens and it was very good. I have been talked out of purchasing cordovan shoes by Alden and others because of two issues. My two pairs of Cordovan Derbies are now 20 years old and they still have more than enough fat in them. A lot of cordovan polish? I do have dark raw indigo jeans,olive and khaki chinos and real mccoys beige chinos and later would add ecru jeans. They have a similar effect to horse or boars hair brushes, but with more direct pressure, that helps with pushing against the dense tissue of shell cordovan. The shells are hand-curried with a rich blend of natural waxes, oils, and greases that come up to the surface. Yes I think those Vass would have been good had they been the correct size. Simon And then theres the general quality of workmanship. And thanks on the vintages, I didnt realise that. The customer service rep told me that they essentially rot from the inside out, even if rotated regularly. And how many of the vegan alternatives are plastics that wont biodegrade. It gets compliments often. Been thinking about getting them from gabucci for a while now. Id definitely go for the Alden tassel loafer, as that would add something genuinely different to what you already have. Prioritising comfort/space. See something like my oundles from Edward Green for example. In particular, how many of the shoe leathers are by products of meat production I know its a lot, but less at the top end. Thats worth a read for detail on what cordovan actually is - more a membrane than a skin - and the work that goes into tanning it. I prefer them in suede, but then thats probably subjective too. Which makes it a bit confusing that unlined cordovan loafers is quite common, a model that also some of its buyers cant wear during warmer days at all. While other leathers may over-stretch with time, shell cordovan keeps its shape much better, resulting in a better long-term fit. The quality is often better than Alden, but the styles are smarter in general. I havent yet added any cordovan footwear to my collection yet, so I found this article intriguing. Hi Simon, somewhat related to Pauls question as well as your more recent post on wearing loafers with jeans, Ive recently become interested in trying black tassel loafers with jeans (dark, selvedge denim). I had been trying to buy some Alden Indy boots in cigar shell and for months none appeared on eBay, Grailed or Styleforum. Thank you Jesper! Whats the best approach? I have the same question as the guy above:-) Just so that I understand you correctly Simon: the Alden loafers you are wearing are a size 9 US/D width? Thanks If it hasnt been ripped or torn, you can start first with a good wipe-down, thorough cleaning, and conditioning. Allan Donnely: Hehe havent happened to me, but sounds like it makes sense . The cultural association of shoes is fascinating to me. Heel pads I have found worthless so I am keen to try rogue pad to solve a heel sleep problem. Kind of difficult to find a store and compare by myself in my area. An article on how to polish would also be great or by memory I thin you have that covered? Im unsure if I should size up have a size or go with a 7.5. Shell cordovan, that most magical of leathers derived from a horses hindquarters, is also one that stands to benefit most from regular care. The vamp on the EG is higher than the other two not a lot, but enough to affect the style. 1) Can I say cordovan shoes can be worn with both black and brown belts alike in most outfits? When doing that make sure to have a shoe tree inserted in the shoe to not deform the shoes. Personally I dont like bit loafers though. 3) It does soften up a bit, but not a huge amount. Thats worth a read for detail on what cordovan actually is - more a membrane than a skin - and the work that goes into tanning it. Is too little a thing? Would you say the van or abeerden last is more suitable? Follow him here. I recommend doing it after every wear, if you can. blue shirt, khaki chinos, cordovan loafers Mine are about 7 or 8 years old and have become better with age. It seems both are in fact lower maintenance than calf leather. #1. The regular penny is widely stocked, at Trunk and Clutch for example. Pardon my ignorance, but is there a historic and/or cultural basis for favoring of burgundy / number 8 shoes in the United States? Youre just more likely to remember to do it after youve worn them. 2. I am not sure if there is much variance in the quality of cordovan offered by Horween (as there is, for instance, with European tanneries). Thank you for a most interesting article. When it creases, the paler colour that comes up is like a pale purple or pink (which is surprising for some, and I know puts some off). This makes it noticeably more difficult to break in than calfskin and unless youre considering a shell cordovan belt, watch strap or leather wallet, youre gonna feel it. and I think would look great dressed up. They are rugged very low key for Santoni, with treble leather soles and Norwegian welts, and abosolutely bomb proof.Kitzbuhel is an interesting place for clothes shopping, with hand made shoes from Haderer, tailoring from Prader, and Fraunschuh, who manufacture locally, and curate some lovely Italian clothes. On dark-brown shoes with suits, I love that combination. I have two pairs of Cordovans from Vass. Dear Simon! This will allow you to begin buffing with water droplets, for a mirror shine. Very well worn. You make a very good case of cordovan loafers with dark denim . Is Alden your preferred brand? Not elegant enough? I know you mentioned in this post, you prefer the slimmer lasts. How should I store my shell shoes and boots? Theres nothing wrong with the shoe, but it can be a bit of a shock if youre not expecting it. Tony. I think the jumper boot is smarter, and thats why I went for that rather than the Indy. As Nick Horween told us. I think its worth looking closely into the economics of it Casey. Yes, Id say Alden is my preferred brand, though theres some discussion about pluses and minuses of them in the comments above. After repeated exposure to wet pavement the heel begins to bulge at the rim and one can see the layers. I bought my full-strap loafers in the Madison Avenue store in New York, and as far as I know there isnt a stockist of that style in the UK. Later, you can then brush them off, followed by a thin layer of protective cream polish, rubbed into the shell, and a thorough brushing. Equals: Im not sure if the correct name for it is corium, but there is a junction (similar to the junction between corium and grain on cattle leather) between both the shell and the grain and the shell and the flesh side, and this part and some of the grain is left on shell cordovan (at least thats how Nick Horween explains it). Im looking forward to stopping by! Id seen a few examples of #8 shell fading to medium brown with lots of wear. Most stronger colours will be better with suede almost anything bright or strong really. Is the squeaking noise will decrease in few weeks ? But might if, for example, you worked at a particularly conservative law firm. Great article. Apologies if I might be slightly off-topic, but I couldnt find anywhere more relevant to ask you this question. This is extreme, but show how it can be. A guide on how to care for cordovan shoes can be found here, In-depth How adhesives affect form and function in footwear, Guide Tanning and treatment methods of leather, https://shoegazing.com/2017/04/02/guide-care-of-cordovan/, https://stridewise.com/is-cordovan-leather/, https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/0*Sn-Siz4wX_IDteTp, Buying tip - Three highly interesting new shoemakers, Guide - How to prevent and remove mould from leather shoes, The tip - Reasons for heel slippage, and the solutions, The tip - Fix loose loafers with tongue pads, The tip - How to avoid and fix stains from hand sanitisers. Genuine Shell Cordovan is the art of tanning at its finest. Great look. But perhaps because I carry on using cream now and again. I find that these spots fade if you just continue to wear and complete regular care. Not a good reason for poor quality but perhaps enabling factors. Just use it very sparingly, as cordovan doesnt really need it much. Please do let me know what are your thoughts on the last and style of this particular boot and how I intend to style it with the pair of jeans I own mentioned here. Thank you kindly. I wore them until the welt could not stand up to another repair. Alden certainly do, yes. Assuming the shoe itself is smart enough, how would the colour 8 cordovan go with a navy or charcoal suit? 8 pairs of the color 8 from Alden.. but not these loafers. Couldnt find anywhere in Uk. You could wear most things, the versatility point was more about colours and materials things might look best with. P.A. Personally, the single monkstrap in color 8 is my absolute favorite. No I think youre right Paul, there is only a very small difference there and it will look fine. I was hoping to get the benefit of your advise. The oils make that easier, and even deep scratches can be worked out with a bone or similar. Any particular misgivings about Carmina? You use colored cream on calfskin to replenish the color loss from scuff marks, or to brighten color loss from fading over time. 2. To reach and expose the shell, the leather is shaved on the flesh side (underside). Like suede. Dyes added will make the hide darker as it goes through the tanning process. The only thing that comes close is suede, and that is never quite as smart. But Ill leave those for another post, or indeed the comment discussion below. Certainly true! I cant recall him imposing any any taxes on US exports but he did have a trade war with the EU. As for colour choice and material of the Alden loafer, what do you recommend? Incidentally, which Blackhorse lane model are you jeans Simon? At the very least, if you think that on leather for shoes, you should be a vegetarian. Thanks, nice to know youve found it so helpful. It is the oiled, worn-in look of cordovan that makes them work. Find a good cobbler and get to know them a bit. I would really appreciate some help here. Its a nice shoe, but perhaps a little clompy for my style I prefer a split-toe myself. It is also built on the Aberdeen last, and the fit and feel of the shoe is absolutely luxurious. Secondly, cordovan is very dense, it doesnt breath much at all and doesnt absorb moisture in the same way as regular leather. Brushing will always help with calf too see video on that kind of care here, But its much more possible with cordovan. Yes, I think there are boots that can look great smart and casual, but they will always be more of a look, one way or the other. Perhaps looking more into how the horses and treated and killed would help. In my experience they do stretch. Its a little hard to say on the value I think theyre both decent value for what you pay in the US, though Allen Edmonds isnt what it was. Next time youre in NY it might be worth the 2 hour flight to Atlanta to visit Sid Mashburns flagship store here. Advice appreciated. Thats due to the way shell cordovan is made. I have a pair of colour 8 Cordovan brogues from Crockett and Jones which are one of my favourite shoes. This is all a function of time, temperature, light, and the individual components we imbue into the specific article. Hi simon i believe the full strap pictured above is in the aberdeen last? Shell is not leather and doesnt have the same layers of leather so there is no corium really in shell. Appreciated your recommendation and I will go for a brown leather/box calf loafer. Have you got them stretched by cobbler? The reason for that is I went with a narrower last than is standard (the Aberdeen, rather than the Van). I also noticed that the lining leather wore out very quickly. Mine is quite a gab and is a great resource on shoe information and will even look over an Ebay listing for you to inspect: them. The color 8 is my favorite but I cant wait to a pair of long wing bluchers in whiskey SC. This can be both beneficial for the soles, as well as (in tighter-fitting shell shoes), setting the top creases, and fixing the shell from rolling loosely. We adapted the tannage slightly by increasing its fat and oil content to make it more supple. Sometimes boxes make their way back to the factory for short or long term storage - home closets tend to fill up. Hi simon thanks. Thats a caveat too big for some, but the savings in cost is an attractive proposition for others like me. Dark brown suede is versatile and I love it, but not quite the same edge to it. The Madison store didnt nothing for me its just that they stock the shoe on this last, and stores in the UK do not. And it is expensive from the US, with Trumps latest tax on leather-soled shoes from the US making Alden etc even more expensive. They looked a lot better! The shopkeeper guy suggested me to get 7.5 as they will stretch. I think it is really unique and pleasing to my eye because of the short vamp. 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